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cabelockjr    8

Sorry for the clickbait. I just wanted attention.

 

There is no legendary quest here. Why you even expect a legendary quest in a forum?

 

Anyways. Hi :D

 

I wanted to talk to an elder to discuss a nice proposal that maybe you like / allow. I wanted to make a secondary not-too-serious relaxed weekend raid group organized by... dun dun dun dunnnn... ME!

 

I know since I want to do it officially inside ATR there are rules. Basically I wanted to talk to someone and discuss this. Maybe mort or bash. Then if you agree I'll make it official.

 

Again sorry for the clickbait.

 

Cabelockjr (I hope you remember me or this post would be so ackward)

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Mortelinnor    35

I don't personally have an issue if you'd like to run a weekend raid team, as long as it's clearly a separate team from the weekdays one, and meant for people with different schedule. Our goal is to be welcoming towards all member and if you have a group that would like to run weekends, then you shouldn't be prevented from doing so.

 

So long as it stays a separate team running, and not an extra day added for some of the week group, you have my blessing.

 

I'll tag the other officers to see if anyone foresees an issue with this. @Mastric specifically would be the one to check with for rank logistics and the likes, as he's the only one capable of changing that. Otherwise, besides @Varibash who already answered, @Ansky, @Gromn and @Wilistari are the only other ones I can think of that might have something to add.

 

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cabelockjr    8

Just to be clear and to avoid conflicts with ATR plans, I want to do a weekend raid but with some slightly differences from the main raid rules. For example using south america local time instead of server time, Fridays will be mandatory 3 hours but who ever wants to stay up late the raid will continue until late at night.

 

If you want a weekend raid for ATR with the exact same rules as the main and organized by you I don't mean to compete with you or force that my raid should be the only one or nothing of the sort.

 

I want to form a completely independent group of raiding with special rules on the weekends were I welcome any ATR member that wishes to join. I will detail more of these rules in a future post.

 

Also I commented to Mort that since I will be using resources from ATR it is fair to make a monthly donation to help. This was my idea.

 

And finally I will organize the raid outside raid time, if someone with experience wishes to lead the raid during raid time totally welcome. Even if someone wants to seriously try and learn also welcome.

 

At any point in time if you see an issue of any kind just talk to me I understand we are still under the ATR banner.

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Varibash    132

to be honest, it sounds like it might be a better idea to form your own guild for something like this, especially considering you want to use a different time zone and you want it completely independent of the ATR main raid.... that way you can have your own WoWprogress and recruitment pages.... 

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Ansky    10

I agree with bash. I was all for it until 'mandatory' days. We don't even have mandatory days for our main raiders, and starting a raid that's got even stricter rules (and a different time zone) just doesn't seem like a good idea. A second group welcoming alts? Sure. A second serious raid group? You'd need recruitment for your specific times and that would be better in a new guild.

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cabelockjr    8

Well as I said, the different rules are meant to be softer. More appealing to alts, people testing stuff or learning.

 

The different time zone is actually 2 hours later where people like me that have 2 kids can actually fit in. Also its on a friday that allows to dedicate the night to raid without actually worrying about attendance.

 

About the "core" players it's a list of people that normally come and want their spot on the raid because of their dedication. Everyone is welcome any day if there are spots available as long as they are willing to raid.

 

I did thought of a new guild but then I thought when I stopped raiding with you was because I needed to dedicate a time I didn't have and had to prioritize my family. Not because I didn't like the guild or something I still wish I could raid with you but I simply can't.

 

That's when I thought well maybe some would like a softer version of the atr raid. Maybe not, maybe I don't even get 10 people interested. But I was willing to try.

 

And since I know I am using ATR resources for something I want to try I was also willing to contribute with what the guild's expenses.

 

If you have issues with any of the rules or time we can talk so it's more appealing for ATR.

 

If the issue is more of an emotional thing of you just don't want me to do it inside ATR I will also respect that. I was only trying to do this because I thought it wouldn't bother you. I definitely don't want to generate any level of discomfort on anyone.

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cabelockjr    8

Ok maybe the attendance thing is actually not a good idea. My whole idea is to have a friday and sunday raid a bit later at night. I talked to Neoblack he told me a lot has changed since I stopped raiding. I didn't know this.

 

And the way he described the only difference in the rules i meant is actually just the time and day. If its better for the guild to be on server time it's fine for me but since I have to be with my family during the day i was hoping that it could be a couple of hours later. And extend it as long as people wish later on Friday.

 

If you want the ownership of it it's also ok with me. Can help getting it started. I have a couple of friends wanting to raid on weekends. If you tell me that ATR will start this friday a raid from 9 pm server time me and my friends are in. They speak english they are good people. 2 tanks around 2 heals and some dps.

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Mastric    311

Sounds like you want a second run kept separate of the first at a different time. I see no issue with that if it's the same ideals as our main run. The only issue you'd most likely see is main raiders wanting to bring alts, while you may have raiders giving it their all on their own mains.

 

 

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cabelockjr    8

You can bring your alts no problem the experience you have raiding is way more valuable that plain ilvl and neck lvl. As long as its feasible to kill the bosses as a group everyone is welcome. But again this is my opinion. If you want to set up a weekend raid only for mains or something like that just tell me. The group of friends I have won't have an issue with that. We just want to raid together in a friendly environment.

 

If you were talking about doing a raid on the weekends how can I help to make this happen? Can we do a test tomorrow? Just see how it goes? I really want to help here.

 

 

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cabelockjr    8

Well without bash approval I won't take any actions until something is defined. Our group is going to try Uldir tonight at 9 pm server time. If you want to join with your alts I will be very happy you tag along, my character for BFA is 'Torina'. Maybe we can even talk a bit more on how we can make a Weekend raid, what are the issues and if we can solve them.

 

I talk to Ansky yesterday and he mentioned some very valid points:

- Alts and mains on the same raid.

- Possible friction between raid groups based on progress.

- Do we have enough people.

 

I also have some concerns:

- Me as organizer / kind of leader of the raid (I don't see myself as good on this but It was either trying this or pugging which is hell and me and my friends prefer not to raid rather than pugging). If Bash or someone else wants to be the one in charge that would be amazing but when I had this idea I didn't want to bother you.

- If you decide to make a raid on weekends but they start early (before 9 pm) me and most of my friends will still not be able to raid together. 

 

I think we can figure this out talking a bit when you have time. I know there are issues to be addressed but there is a clear positive side of having an alternative on the weekends for people that cannot join early/weekdays, people wanting to raid with alts and people that could not get a spot that week on the main raid.

 

I tried to rush things since I wanted to make it for this Friday but clearly this needs to be talked more. Maybe we can have a definitive answer until next Friday? If we can talk during this week.

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Varibash    132

after speaking with the other leadership about this, we've decided that if you intend to pursue this, we are going to ask you to do it in your own guild. We've tried having multiple raid teams in the past and it has always caused more drama and problems then it was worth.

 

It's nothing personal, just would be a better choice if you had your own guild for this.

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Mortelinnor    35

While my personal stance is the same as Mastric's, after discussing it with the other officers, the majority was not in favor of allowing a separate raid team under ATR banner.

 

As such, like Bash said, if you would like to lead your own raid team, we ask that you do so in a guild of your own.

 

This has no effect on whether or not you're allowed in the guild, so should you decide it's no longer something you want, or if it ends up not working out, you're still very much welcome among us.

 

Apologies for the confusion that might have been caused, it should've been discussed among officers first rather than every one giving you their personal opinion on it.

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Crispyshu    0

I have a good option for this raid.  Damage Mafia is a guild I run an alt in and they raid on Friday from 9:00 to midnight EST and Sunday from 9:00 till 11:00 EST.  A great group of people that have a lot of fun and from time to time may or may not drink too much.  They are 7/8 on normal and have alts from some of the top guilds on the server.  This could be a great ATR Alt guild option and fit the times you are looking for.  They already have a raid leader who is good and it is very drama free.  They always want more raiders and are open to anyone who is cool or in my case just a darn nice guy.  If you want in look for Waterbull or talk to me.

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